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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2009.10.26 02:02:00 -
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The issue I see. Currently a big force can simply online and let a pos go offline once sov has been claimed. The offline pos then holds sov. So the actual cost to holding sov in worthless systems is 0 pretty much. Nobody wants to siege a pos if the system is worthless.
In the new system. The more systems you have. The more is costs. AND there's a cost on valuless systems.
Take this system for example.
It's in paragon soul. So practically the furthest u can get from empire or anything. It has -0.03 truesec. 2 belts and 4 moons. It's a totally worthless system.
Why would anyone want to pay isk to hold sov in this system? The possibility of there being a moneymoon there is pretty small but even if there is. Moons dont matter for sov anymore.
So lets say that alliance who holds it now simply wont claim it. Instead they will simply have informal ownership of the space. The thing is... what happens when there are big areas simply not claimed but some big force has informal sov of the entire constellation?
Also why do these systems even exist? 2 belts at that truesec that far from empire? Makes no sense.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2009.10.27 12:23:00 -
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You're also wrong. If all towers go offline sov will go neutral.
Unless this was changed very recently... you are wrong. My alliance held like 2 **** constellations with pretty much all offline pos. With the exception of 1 thulium moon.
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But you really have no idea what you're talking about. The basic idea is you have sov in systems you actually use. Not you just have sov to have sov.
Ok so you're a goon. So lets take a look at querious.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/K-Z0V4
1 person has even gone to that system in the last 24 hours. Killing no rats at all.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/K-B8DK
25 jumps in the last 24 hours. killing 9 rats in the last 24 hours.
Fair enough holding sov in those 2 systems is due to money moons. However that's the point. Nobody is going to willingly pay for the sov in these systems otherwise. As goons clearly have no interest in these systems.
Sorry An Anarchyyt you really have no idea what you're talking about.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2009.10.27 12:38:00 -
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Yep, they will have informal ownership of that space. And, like now, ninja-ratters, macros, and miners will come and attempt to make use of the space. So, the "owning" alliance will need to make periodic sweeps if they wish. Or in other words, it's a no-mans land up for grabs--if you can keep it.
Nothing seems to be changing though from this sense. It doesnt take a sweep to see if someone has claimed sov in your space. So you cant claim sov as a ninjaratter. So you also cant upgrade the space thusly. So really to a ninjaratter the sov changes dont change anything. The sov changes only are applicable to those who want to setup shop. However those informally owning the space can come kill you. For literally no reason. As I proved above. Even goons wont use their space. The uber broken truesec of querious-delve and they dont use them.
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On a practical note, I point out that the mentioned "worthless" system has as much chance to spawn exploration sites or wormholes as any others, and that Dominion will provide (according to current info) upgrades that may increase the probability of site spawns.
Oh without a doubt. However if you think about it. People are holding sov in space with the only value of the system is in the possibility of exploration sites. That's worthless to me considering you could go for a week without a single site.
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So... not exactly useless. Oh yeah, and it's easier to scan down a tiny system. In general, we can expect that the "better" systems will still be better, but that we can actually make terminally mediocre space livable. Sounds fine to me!
I'm just thinking that these systems really should get either fixed truesec for better ore in the belts or a crazy number of belts.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:25:00 -
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It's too early to say that. Right now that system has sov because its a free boost to moon mining - towers claim sov, sov reduces fuel use, then provides defense bonuses to help run the towers
indeed. which is why i said
Fair enough holding sov in those 2 systems is due to money moons.
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The fact that the system is being mined means it is "used"
a system existing just so u can moonmine. Sure isnt ideal to me. Boosting them such that people can actual do something in them. OTher then the once a month activity of clearing out the silos.
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I'm not sure why the number of rats killed per day should be the sole factor in determining if it's "in use".
I mentioned the number of jumps to the system also. IF people literally dont jump into the system. Then... it isnt being used. Furthermore 500 people could jump into the system. Could be a 450 man gang jumping into a 50man gang. The system is still not being used. So thusly rats.
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We still don't know how expensive it will be to hold sov and upgrade space. It could well be that dropping a basic sov claim in that system will cost less than the money saved on fuel.
I so hope not. Unless there are ALOT of towers. These idle money cows that just print out isk with no effort at all is insane.
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Perhaps the specific minerals mined there (I didn't check what they are) will increase in value with Dominions market changes, making a cynojammer upgrade worthwhile.
I hope they make it so u can only have, jammer-bridge-beacon. Only 1 of the 3 can be online.
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Uncoupling sov from starbases doesn't change how systems are used, it just changes how cost effective it will be to have a label saying "this is mine".
That was my point. Your alliancemate disagreed with me. Also remember. The dev blog said that the number of systems controlled vs cost is exponential. So the cost of holding that system will be much higher then a smaller alliance holding 1-2 only.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Unless this was changed very recently... you are wrong. My alliance held like 2 **** constellations with pretty much all offline pos. With the exception of 1 thulium moon.
Since xttz already summed up the rest, "pretty much all offline pos" and "all offline pos" are not the same. If there were all offline pos but one, then that's fine, there is still an online pos holding sov. However, if all pos go offline, sov will go neutral. This is not even a question, this is what will happen and what does happen. Feel free to find an empty system and try it out.
Nope. several systems had no pos actually online; still held sov. Recently had friends kill an offline pos in a system and then it lost sov. The crazy thing is that it was a thulium moon. Anyway. Regardless of the mechanics now. POS no longer matter.
My point is that there are several systems which most likely nobody will have any interest paying the bill for.
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